So I have last year's version, which is much more jogger than the new version, and I'm still not sure which pair I like better. For reference, I'm a 4R in last years version, sometimes a 4-6 in Athletas stuff, sometimes a petite but typically a regular length. Last year's version 4P was too short in... the leg for me. I got a 4R in this year's version, still debating if I should've gotten a Petite or not, its a bit of a slimmer fit than shown on the model and the waist is slightly loose so I bet I could still size down once more to a 2 for a more fitted fit if I so desired. Last year's version had a thicker-material waistband with regular tie, full elastic around the hems, and a normal set of 4 normal-sized (i.e. not typical "women pants sized") pockets. New version has a thinner material on the waistband, elastic on only the back half of the pant hem, slightly higher rise (Athleta, srsly, can you stop raising the waist band on all of your pants unless you plan to make mid rise versions as well? Im too short for such high rises), and an additional thigh pocket for a total of 5 pockets. Extra pockets are good, especially when they fit your phone so it's not in the way when hiking (confirmed a Galaxy S10 fits just fine), but I wish the waistband were the thicker material still. I'm concerned this material might stretch out during the day, especially if I'm on a rock scramble and bent over frequently. The pant legs also don't quite know what to do with themselves since they are looser than last year due to the half-elastic design, so they kind of look like a slim tapered pant vs a jogger, which is ok but they get caught up on my bigger calves which causes wierd bunching at the knees. I'm definitely going to keep them and given them a try, hopefully they change my mind after wearing them a few times.