Answer: when you're 5'11 and the 'tall' is still dragging on the floor when I'm in 3in heels, LOL! 5 stars for overall design Docking a star for execution. Maybe 2. I've worn Venice Joggers for the last year and LOVED them, especially in cooler weather and on planes b/c the fabric is the perfect ...weight, a classic style, and they're super comfy. I wear a Small/Tall in the jogger (5'11, 140lb), so when the wide-leg version came out, I had a look at the inseam measurement on the website...for Tall styles, the wide-leg is 1in longer than the jogger, which I thought was fine, so I ordered the same size for the wide-leg pant. Even given the lower crotch drop relative to the joggers, they were *laughably* long. Just for grins, I put on the heels that I would *never* wear with these, and the pant legs were still dragging on the floor -- I'd have to be over 6'3 for the Tall to look anything like they do on the models. I'd have exchanged them, but I bought them in the solid Abalone color the week before Labor Day, and by LD weekend, they were then on backorder with the black color for until November (I just saw "backorder" changed to "preorder" on the site, so I'm wondering if the initial release of the solid colors was problematic -- sizing maybe? -- and set Athleta back on their inventory until the problem could be fixed?). Anyway, I otherwise loved that the fabric was heavy enough that you wouldn't see through the lighter Abalone color, and they fit my waist just like the joggers did. Really loved the style. So rather than wait 2 months waiting for a new pair, I took them to the tailor to be hemmed for $20. I'm annoyed that I needed to do that though, so I probably will contact customer service to let them know and see if anything can be done. :)